Ep 66: Alone But Not Lonely ft. Ven Sumangala
Summary
What does it mean to be alone without feeling lonely? In this episode, Venerable Sumangala reflects on solitude, companionship, and the inner stability needed to stand confidently on our own. She shares why learning to be at ease with oneself is essential for mental freedom, emotional resilience, and genuine connection with others.
Drawing from Buddhist teachings and lived experience, this conversation explores how spiritual friendship, mindful discipline, and self-understanding allow us to navigate loneliness in modern life. Rather than escaping solitude, we learn how to transform it into a source of clarity, strength, and peace.
About the Speaker
👤 Venerable Sumaṅgalā Therī is the Abbess of Ariya Vihara Buddhist Society. She embarked on her spiritual journey in Buddhism at the age of 19, inspired by the serene sight of a monk and people meditating, which deeply delighted her heart. This initial inspiration led her to actively pursue, learn, and practise the Buddha’s teachings, with a particular focus on meditation.
She holds a B.A. in Psychology and in 1999, she completed her M.A. in Industrial and Organizational Psychology, both from Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia. Furthering her academic and spiritual education, Ven. Sumaṅgalā Therī obtained an M.A. in Philosophy (Buddhism) from the International Buddhist College, Thailand in 2011.
Her formal journey into monastic life began in 2005 when she left the household life to become an Anagarika. Her ordination as a Dasasil (akin to a Sāmaṇerī) took place in November 2008 under the sacred Sri Mahābodhi at Bodhgaya, India. Her preceptor-teacher was Ven. Mahinda Mahāthera, a proponent of Mettā and one of the early disciples of the late Ven. Dr. K. Sri Dhammananda Nāyaka Mahāthera from Malaysia. Her meditation teacher was Ven. Nadimale Sumedhā Maniyo of Sri Lanka, who guided her in samatha-vipassanā meditation practices.
On 21 June 2015, she took her higher ordination under the guidance of preceptor Ven. B. Sri Saranankara Nāyaka Mahāthera – the Chief Judiciary Monk of Malaysia, and bhikkhuni preceptor-teacher Ayya Santinī Mahātherī of Indonesia.
In 2004, inspired by the late Venerable K. Sri Dhammananda Nāyaka Mahāthera, she decided to start a bhikkhunī training centre to complete the Fourfold Assembly for Theravādin practice: bhikkhu, bhikkhunī, upāsaka and upāsikā. In 2015, she pioneered the formation and registration of Ariya Vihara, Malaysia’s first Theravāda Bhikkhunī Nunnery and Dhamma Training Centre. In 2019, she received a government allocated land for the building of the project with construction to commence in the first half of 2025.
From 2014 to 2023, she inspired six short-term Theravāda Samanerīs to go forth for good, including the first 3 Cambodian Samanerīs to do so. She has assisted more than 50 bhikkhunīs in higher ordinations in Bodhgaya, India.
Currently, she serves as the Abbess and President of Ariya Vihara Buddhist Society and is an advisor of Gotami Vihara Society in Malaysia. Ven. Sumaṅgalā Therī is actively involved in conducting meditation retreats and giving Dhamma talks in various centers and camps, sharing her deep understanding and experiences in the Dhamma with others.
She is one of the recipients of the 23rd Anniversary Outstanding Women Awards (OWBA) 2024, in honour of the United Nations International Women’s Day.
Key Takeaways
Solitude Is Not Loneliness
Being alone becomes nourishing when the mind is trained to be steady, kind, and present.
Right Companionship Matters
Wise friendships support growth and values, without creating dependence or fear of being alone.
Inner Stability Creates Freedom
When we are rooted within ourselves, we relate to others from wholeness—not lack.
Transcript
Full Transcript
[00:00:00] Ven Sumangala: You master your life, you master your mind. You cannot live according to how people want you to be or how people perceive you to be.
[00:00:08] Cheryl: Welcome to the Handful of Leaves podcast. My name is Cheryl. And today I have Venerable Sumangala as my guest. Venerable Sumangala, is a fully ordained nun of 10 vassas and she’s also the president of Ariya Vihara Buddhist Society, Malaysia’s first Theravada [00:00:25] bhikkhuni nunnery and Dhamma training center.
[00:00:28] Cheryl: She’s also an advisor to Gotami Vihara Society in Malaysia. (add HOL intro clip) How can one be supported in this journey? And how to intentionally cultivate spiritual friendships?
[00:00:43] Ven Sumangala: It’s a very lonely journey because, majority are behaving that way, and you’re behaving [00:00:50] differently. We have to understand that when we walk the path in our life, again and again I say, we are seeking for what? Happiness, freedom. So that is our goal. If we think that, oh, when we have less friends, then we’ll be very lonely. But actually it’s not true. The important thing is kalyāṇa-mitta.
[00:01:11] Ven Sumangala: Friends that are beautiful. In a way that’s [00:01:15] supportive of your mental development. Most of the time, maybe every day, we look into our mind, we can feel the mind is at the lower side, not the upper side. So, who we associate is very important. So the Buddha even mentioned in the Mangala Sutta, what brings blessing number one is not to associate with the fool.
[00:01:37] Ven Sumangala: Number two, to associate with [00:01:40] the wise. Number three, respect those who are worthy respect. So there are altogether 38 blessings. And the Buddha also said, if you can’t find a friend that is better in their wisdom, ethical conduct, generosity in all those good states, then you better not mix. Why? Because it can [00:02:05] actually ruin your whole life.
[00:02:06] Ven Sumangala: You may think that when you associate with a lot of people, you are someone or you will feel very warm around, but no. Even you may have a few friends, but then that few friends is friend that you can really learn from, friends of sunny day and rainy day, friends of a counselor, motivator, and friends who doesn’t actually give up [00:02:30] on you when you are facing trouble. So, these are the friends that is more important. Not how many friends we have. And it is important to have friends that actually growing together, it will help the person to really develop.
[00:02:45] Ven Sumangala: When we don’t have friends, don’t be worried. For me, my best friend is the Buddha. why I think so is that because even we sometimes say, oh, this [00:02:55] is my best friend, they are not taking you as their best friend. Then you feel very hurt. But I think the Buddha is my best friend, and the Buddha said, you know, whoever that take him as a kalyāṇa-mitta, then the path of this happiness and freedom is open. Because they are possessing the path of the Noble Eightfold Path. You’ll find a lot of inspiration and also a lot of motivation and the [00:03:20] way how you can actually improve yourself to that the best human can do.
[00:03:26] Ven Sumangala: And the Buddha will never betray you. And his teaching is so vast. The path that he shows is so clear. And then we still have the Buddha, Dhamma, the Sangha until today that we can actually follow. This path is tested, validated. It’s not talking in the air or just a belief system.
[00:03:43] Ven Sumangala: So, not to worry, you [00:03:45] won’t be alone. And I was always asked, because I used to be alone. I always tell them, I’m alone, but not lonely. In the past, when I would stay in a retreat center, I used also to be alone and when the cleaner come, she always shook her head and saying that, aren’t you boring?
[00:04:04] Ven Sumangala: I tell her and said, I don’t have this vocab in my head “boring”. From [00:04:10] young until now. I used to tell last time my colleagues or whoever, I say if one day I say I’m bored, I say you should tell me, “something wrong with you”.
[00:04:18] Ven Sumangala: I mean the time that we have is such precious. And the thing that we can do is such wonderful. So therefore if we can really see the order of things and we do it and then you get all the result of what it means through happiness and [00:04:35] freedom.
[00:04:35] Ven Sumangala: Then we are not pushed around anymore. You master your life, you master your mind, you cannot live according to how people want you to be or how people perceive you to be.
[00:04:46] Cheryl: It reminds me of the Dhammapada verse where the Buddha said the mind is the forerunner of all things. What you shared about the Buddha being your best friend is so powerful. And I wanted to understand [00:05:00] how have you relied on the Buddha as a best friend in your loneliest times?
[00:05:06] Ven Sumangala: Sometimes we may face with some challenges, and then you don’t know who to turn to, right? When I face some challenges, like one time I remember during my work time in the past, key thing is that when everybody is like chaotic, throw out your anger and your temper.
[00:05:23] Ven Sumangala: “You think I don’t have temper?” That kind of [00:05:25] thought will come. Then reflection come in when you have Dhamma, then I say, it’s dangerous. If the darkness is there and you are the last hope, and if you give in and become dark, then it is worse. Nobody see any light.
[00:05:43] Ven Sumangala: Everybody will be banging at each other and get hurt. So then I tell myself, no matter how difficult it is, the [00:05:50] Buddha went through six years to discover this path. He went through even more tougher things. Then I tell myself, no, no, no, no, no. I should actually continue to uphold this light. Even the light is not very bright, I must keep holding this light. I cannot lose my temper. I cannot lose to join them in the darkness.
[00:06:10] Ven Sumangala: When this light is in the darkness, people can see hope. [00:06:15] People see, can see goodness. People see, can see, yeah, somebody is still holding that. And truly after that, all of them settle down again. So in times of difficulty, when we think of the Buddha, the perspective of what we should do, how we should do, and ability to be more compassionate and more kind in times of difficulty, the Buddha don’t get angry.
[00:06:38] Ven Sumangala: Even people want to kill [00:06:40] him. Not only he don’t get angry, he don’t have fear. So we wish that we can be like the Buddha, nothing to be fearful about the world. Then we have the energy, we have the motivation, and we have also ability to overcome challenges in life.
[00:06:57] Cheryl: When we hold on to the Buddha and the Dhamma, we’re holding on to light, goodness and hope. That really did [00:07:05] give me goosebumps as well. So thank you so much for sharing, Venerable. If there’s one advice that you can share with young people who are feeling disillusioned, also very confused in terms of seeking deeper meaning, what would that be?
[00:07:22] Ven Sumangala: You know, in our life, we have our goal from young, and then now we are on our own. We actually start to realize that [00:07:30] what we always think are not the same as what it really is, for example, especially those who are studying in colleges or university.
[00:07:38] Ven Sumangala: We can think or we can be very proud. Maybe we are very good student and we know like a lot of things, especially technology and everything. But when we come to the workforce, you start to see it is not what it is.
[00:07:51] Ven Sumangala: The reality is such that you are put in a situation that you have to [00:07:55] perform. And sometimes there’s no mercy because the competition is so great. So there’s no complacency of not doing something. And so all the stress, everything comes. So why not we keep to a principle. What life has it entail? What is the purpose of our life?
[00:08:14] Ven Sumangala: And that is very important for us. If we don’t have any principles in our life, then we are going [00:08:20] into the workforce by pushing around, by thinking competition is the way to our success or our happiness. So true fulfilment of life comes from not what you acquire, it’s what your principle is — principle that leads you to the order of things so you don’t have to be disillusioned, having disillusion of reality.
[00:08:43] Ven Sumangala: So come to [00:08:45] reality, face the reality, upskill your knowledge and whatever you need for your career. And then balance your life with the right lifestyle. Now a lot of people their lifestyle is out. When the lifestyle is out, you have to pay extra cost not only for your physical health, but mental health. So principles of life is important. So therefore, why it’s so important [00:09:10] that we have a purpose of life guided by the Triple Gem, the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha.
[00:09:15] Ven Sumangala: Many people have tested this path and it helps not only when they are monastic, but also when they are lay people, when they are able to live a balanced life. So they still can live a very, very happy lay life, even as a young person cultivating your career. You’d be surprised if you can practice this, [00:09:35] taking the path, the Buddha, Dhamma, and the Sangha as your best friend, as your guide. And then you start practicing the principles of life that protects you, and protect others.
[00:09:47] Ven Sumangala: Then you follow the Noble Eightfold Path. Not that you have to chase after the success, success will come to you without you asking. I think this is my own experience. When I work, they are rank and [00:10:00] file. Some of them work for 15 years, 20 years. I worked there for five years only.
[00:10:04] Ven Sumangala: Then they already promote me to branch manager. I didn’t ask for it. When they interview me, what would I be within three years or five years? I just say to be happy and to make others happy.
[00:10:17] Ven Sumangala: So find peace within and do your best. Serve, share. And I think that is what the quality is [00:10:25] for being successful. Because other than that, the success will come to you. The promotion come to you. I didn’t ask for it, but they come to you because people trust, people see the quality and we feel the happiness.
[00:10:38] Ven Sumangala: Others also feel the happiness. Let success come to you rather than you chase after the success. Then you’ll find peace along the way. I think that is more important in our life because or else we will always feel very stressed, [00:10:50] very depressed, like always lacking of something, never feel content and fulfilled.
[00:10:56] Cheryl: And we are so lucky, we’re so lucky to have the Buddha’s blueprint alive with so many Sangha walking it as well as a direction and example.
[00:11:07] Ven Sumangala: So that’s why we say invest in personal growth, not just to get a worldly skill, but [00:11:15] also the spiritual path, the order of true happiness. So then you become the best version of yourself in the thriving journey of your life. So cultivate those good qualities and these are the protection, it will give you the resilience, the wisdom. Then the path will be even more smooth and easier for everyone.
[00:11:38] Cheryl: Sadhu, sadhu, [00:11:40] sadhu. Thank you so much Venerable, for the sharing and so much wisdom. I’ve learned a lot differentiating that material success is different from true happiness and that each of us have the ability and opportunity in this life to make use of the precious time that we have to walk on the path so that we can experience true [00:12:05] happiness for our own selves.
[00:12:07] Cheryl: And if lay people would like to offer support to your projects, can we find the details in the website or Facebook?
[00:12:17] Ven Sumangala: Yes, in our website, they do publish on the bank that if they want to donate directly or else they can contact sister Siew King. We use that (donation) for the service for the [00:12:30] society, for people to also come to know the Dhamma and also to partake the merits of building this is the very first Theravada Bhikkhuni Sima, nunnery and Dhamma Training Centre for family in Malaysia.
[00:12:44] Cheryl: What’s a Sima actually?
[00:12:46] Ven Sumangala: Sima in the translations, it’s called boundary. So in any monastery that we wanna set up for the proper ordination [00:12:55] of a bhikkhuni, in accordance with the vinaya, rules that the Buddha have set for developing pure community of monks or nuns .
[00:13:05] Ven Sumangala: So they need a sima boundary dedicated for pure action and also purification of impurity in case they have made any offenses. So, this year, in April it was fully [00:13:20] established by 17 bhikkhunis. And there are five Maha Theris.
[00:13:25] Ven Sumangala: So we hope for not only for this generation, but for generations to come, and also for the female who are keen in walking this path. There are also rooms for people to come and practice all year. We have another aspect that we provide, family education for parents and children to come and so [00:13:45] parents who have Dhamma, they can be a good role model for the children.
[00:13:49] Cheryl: Sadhu for all your contributions in building this for the benefit of all. So we come to the end of this episode. I will put in all the links below. And our listeners, please do subscribe to us on YouTube, Spotify, or anywhere you find us. And we hope to see you in the next one. Stay happy and [00:14:10] wise.
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